![]() ![]() So it will still show up in the system even decades after you have submitted it. Yes, Turnitin keeps a permanent file with regards to the essay you previously submitted. I am even later in terms of participating in this discussion but I would still like to add my thoughts on the matter. If you still don't understand why one's an apple and one's an orange, you're not going to, but others reading this conversation might. If my analyses and opinions are similar, that's not self-plagiarism. I write every paper from scratch, including topics that I've handled numerous times. If you handle consecutive identical assignments by opening up the last paper you did on the same topic and just change the words, that's self-plagiarism. If you write about the same exact topic multiple times, as all of us do, it's not self-plagiarism if it happens to come out very similar to the prior paper because your analysis or opinion on the topic hasn't changed. You don't need dictionary definitions of "expert" here, just a better conceptual understanding of what's an apple and what's an orange, Professor. Self-plagiarizing students choose topics for that purpose professional writers don't get to choose their topics like that. That has nothing to do with the issue of having to write the same assignment multiple times as a writer, because you suggested that professional writers and subject matter experts often write about the same topics multiple times. I'm not creating any "double standard" I've explained several times that you can't compare students and hired writers in this respect, simply because when students self-plagiarize, it's almost always a deliberate choice to select an essay topic they already wrote for another class. You're the one who apparently admits to writing by changing words for the same ideas (as implied in the first quote above). And self-plagiarism isn't a criminal matter in the first place. I was going to respond "Speak for yourself because I've never written anything by just changing the words of something I wrote previously" but I wasn't looking to prolong the discussion. ![]() ![]() When you said this: " If this is the case, we are all criminals." That's not what students do when they purposely choose the same topic for papers in different classes. None of that has anything to do with actually writing the same assignment from scratch twice, even if you end up making many of the same points in both papers. Submitting your own previous written work for a current class is the definition of self-plagiarism.Ĭhanging all the words to say the exact same thing as a previous piece of writing is also plagiarism. The question was posed by a student about whether or not rewriting his previous paper in different words is plagiarism. That's the topic of discussion: Students, not professional writers or "experts" in any field. Students frequently choose to write about the same topic they wrote about previously precisely so they don't actually have to write a new paper for the second class. STUDENTS rarely get a writing assignment that's identical to a previous writing assignment. Obviously, I've also written about the same topics many times and I've written the same assignment for multiple customers in the same class many times. We're not discussing professional writers here. So, rewriting your own old paper for that purpose is very obviously plagiarism, at least according to what I've read and also according to common sense. Rewriting all the same ideas and points in different words so that it can pass an online plagiarism scanner is also plagiarism. What do you suppose a professor would say if you asked for permission to write a paper on the exact same topic you wrote for a different class? I don't make the rules about what constitutes plagiarism, but I've written enough papers on the topic to have looked it up and I know that submitting the same paper twice in different classes is considered self-plagiarism even though you wrote it. The vast majority of instances of self-plagiarism involve the student's very deliberate choice to select an essay topic for a current course that he's already written for a previous class with minor changes to match the course, such as in a paper about the Cuban Missile Crisis submitted for credit as a research paper in a History class one year and then resubmitted a year later in a Political Science or International Relations class. We're not really talking about good-faith presentation of the author's beliefs or analysis on a very similar topic that just happens to be assigned in different classes. ![]()
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